Curse

Lishy · Jan 05, 2009, 12:07 PM // 12:07

I'm a little new to Warrior, and I see the potential synergy of an urf shakkur whammo and a variety of hero builds.

Now, since I'm interested in whacking Charr across the damn face with a biggass watermelon-on-a-stick, anyone have builds using Earth Shaker, or could give me tips?

kupp · Jan 05, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

[build=OQASE5JTiFfFhF7g8VGWXFyl]

This is the one I use for vanquishing, slightly modified from the one on pvx. Pretty self explaining, Enraging Charge + FGJ for an instant charge on hit, Crude Swing and Whirlwind for a quick adrenaline gain and Pain Inverter for caster pwnage.

Cebe · Jan 05, 2009, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Pain Inverter is quite a weak form of "Caster Pwnage", as you put it. It's 20 second recharge means it can't be cast that often, and then you have to take into account how many spells a Monster will cast in 10 seconds. It's usually not as many as you'd think, especially given some of the AI's builds. Churning Earth Shaker out more to knock-lock a group of Casters would be much more useful.

Other PvE skills such as [[Brawling Headbutt], [["Save Yourselves!" (Luxon)], [[Low Blow] or [[Ebon Battle Standard of Honor] could be substituted instead.

TrippieHippie89 · Jan 05, 2009, 01:46 PM // 13:46

you really dont know wammos

its erf shakur :-p

but the guy above me has a pretty solid pve build(except for the lack of DW which pretty much every warrior should be able to apply, in which case drop mighty blow for crushing)

if you decide to venture into the pvp side of things, this is a standard hammer bar

Hammer Elite(earth shaker, dev hammer, magehunters smash, etc etc etc)
Flail
Crushing Blow
Hammer Bash
Bull's Strike
Enraging Charge
Optional(usually rush to cancel flail when need be)
Res(hard res, usually Death pact sig if your team needs)

realtalk916 · Jan 05, 2009, 01:57 PM // 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

Pain Inverter is quite a weak form of "Caster Pwnage", as you put it. It's 20 second recharge means it can't be cast that often, and then you have to take into account how many spells a Monster will cast in 10 seconds. It's usually not as many as you'd think, especially given some of the AI's builds. Churning Earth Shaker out more to knock-lock a group of Casters would be much more useful.

Other PvE skills such as [[Brawling Headbutt], [["Save Yourselves!" (Luxon)], [[Low Blow] or [[Ebon Battle Standard of Honor] could be substituted instead.

PI isnt really weak at all for vqing, itsn ot liek we bring it to shut down eveyr caster, we just use it for ele bosses, and the potential AOE party wipers

kupp · Jan 05, 2009, 02:27 PM // 14:27

^ what he said, PI is a must for bosses and ele's, usually killing the last instantly if a spell hits most of the party members, and an insta-kill spell is never wrong in any bar. Still VERY usefull against necromancers and smiting monks. And in situations were you have one/two healers and an ele in the same mob, just casting PI on the ele and going for the monks makes it a whole lot easier. Because if they're not close enough for the aoe kd, leaving one of them alive and focusing on the other will be a problem. Simply allows to get some stress off from those potential party wipers.

Also, remember it's for vanquish and not normal play. Usually you'll be facing only one group at a time, and you'll usually have enough time for PI to recharge when moving to the next. Even if no (dangerous) casters are present, most mobs easily do 80 dmg+ and casting PI on a warrior will kill him pretty quickly. As for earth shaker, it's a crow control but you will never be able to get all mobs with it some will always escape and instead of letting them do their damage, letting them kill themselvs while the party focus on more important things is almost mandatory in my book.

Arkantos · Jan 05, 2009, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by realtalk916

PI isnt really weak at all for vqing, itsn ot liek we bring it to shut down eveyr caster, we just use it for ele bosses, and the potential AOE party wipers

Bringing 1 skill to kill a single boss is a little pointless, is it not? Being smart and protting your frontline to take the initial damage isn't hard to do, and doesn't waste a skill slot.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 05, 2009, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by kupp

^ what he said, PI is a must for bosses and ele's, usually killing the last instantly if a spell hits most of the party members, and an insta-kill spell is never wrong in any bar.

I don't run PI and I kill bosses and eles perfectly well.

Step 1 -> Prot the frontline.
Step 2 -> Earth Shaker.
Step 3 -> Blow stuff up while enjoying how you're killing everything while taking minimal damage (and you don't end up dead at the end of it).

MegaVolti · Jan 06, 2009, 01:58 AM // 01:58

But with PI you kill them faster. That's what PvE is all about in the end

snaek · Jan 06, 2009, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by megavolti

But with PI you kill them faster. That's what PvE is all about in the end

so sacrificing 1 skill slot to kill 5% of enemies (aka bosses) faster is worth it?
wouldnt u rather take a skill to kill 95% of enemies faster?

Lyynyyrd · Jan 06, 2009, 02:30 AM // 02:30

If you want REAL advice you must train under the great X Cytherea X.

kupp · Jan 06, 2009, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Honestly when I started vqing I'd heard so much about PI that I never tryed doing it without the skill, but will try it without.

Even tough it's not only for bosses or ele's, if they're present they'll obviously be the priority but I always use it as soon as it's recharged in HM I can take full advantage of it with practicly all mobs. So if you say it's weak, well it really isn't. Might not be the best choice for everyone but that's your personal taste anw.

@ Marty: just to clear up, ending up dead isn't a problem I obviously won't leeroy just to trigger PI while letting my whole party get hit. But the fact is you can't avoid getting hit by one or two spells even if you rush right into an aoe damage dealer be it necro, ele, etc. And if you have more than one half the time they'll be too far apart and you'll only be able to hit one with ES. So instead of letting the other one live, PI handles them, usually on the first spell they cast. Again might not be optimal for you, but I like it and find it very usefull

In any case, I bet the OP appreciates some help with Earth Shaker as well instead of PI only. :P

Dr Imperial · Jan 06, 2009, 04:11 PM // 16:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

Bringing 1 skill to kill a single boss is a little pointless, is it not? Being smart and protting your frontline to take the initial damage isn't hard to do, and doesn't waste a skill slot.

Protting would be great...but I use Sabway for Vqing mostly, in which case PI could be a benefit...and also, it isn't as if PI can only be used on bosses...in HM most enemies will be dealing significant damage, and throwing it on an (enemy) warrior that's bugging the casters can take it down pretty quickly.

And what else do you have in mind for that slot in place of PI? Tbh, I don't use PI...I bring "SY!" but I can see PI's uses.

phan · Jan 06, 2009, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd

If you want REAL advice you must train under the great X Cytherea X.

I , myself have had the privilige to train under da leet awesome Cytherea and i think he would propose something like this

Urf Shakur!
Crushin blow!
Hamma basha!
Flail!
Eraaaaageeeing charge!
Utility

but then ; the 2 most viable skills in DA WHOLE GWARS!!&&!!è
Mendin touch
Remaove hex

You can't work without those two seriously ..
Oh yeah ; and da leet awesome Cytherea says taking ress is for noobs !

realtalk916 · Jan 06, 2009, 11:14 PM // 23:14

the way i see it, i play warrior well, and 1 slot is always optional, why not bring PI? its easy to kill, 5% or not, its better then pre prot frontliners and all that junk, just a simple click, and there dead,

who cares if ucan kill bosses fine, i can too.. but pi makes it easier, great utility for vqing, enough said.

Lyynyyrd · Jan 07, 2009, 05:09 AM // 05:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by realtalk916

the way i see it, i play warrior well, and 1 slot is always optional, why not bring PI? its easy to kill, 5% or not, its better then pre prot frontliners and all that junk, just a simple click, and there dead,

who cares if ucan kill bosses fine, i can too.. but pi makes it easier, great utility for vqing, enough said.

1: Leave PI, and all spells, to the casters.
2: You playing Warrior well is a matter of opinion.

realtalk916 · Jan 07, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48

too bad i play everything h/h

therefore theres no casters in my party to bring pi

second, its a matter of opinion, i dont know why youre getting booty tickled about me saying i play well, i mean, if u do good u do good? not hard to be well, i didnt say i play warrior better then you or marty. but since u gettin butthurt... thne yeah maybe im a better warrior then you, IMO

Shadowfox1125 · Jan 08, 2009, 09:32 AM // 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by realtalk916

second, its a matter of opinion, i dont know why youre getting booty tickled about me saying i play well, i mean, if u do good u do good? not hard to be well, i didnt say i play warrior better then you or marty. but since u gettin butthurt... thne yeah maybe im a better warrior then you, IMO

An excellent display of logic.

pumpkin pie · Jan 08, 2009, 09:48 AM // 09:48

[pie's hamwar;OQMTE5JXnxwSWijilyyV5vGTAA]

if your interested.

distilledwill · Jan 08, 2009, 10:03 AM // 10:03

[build prof=W/Rt Strength=12+1 Hammer=12+1+1 Resto=3 Luxon=9][Earth Shaker][Crushing Blow][Whirlwind Attack]["Save Yourselves!" (luxon)][Flail][Enraging Charge]["For Great Justice!"][Death Pact Signet][/build]

^thats what I use.